Nov. 19, 2025

It's in the Code ep 170: “Order, Chaos, and Evil”

It's in the Code ep 170: “Order, Chaos, and Evil”

[CONTENT WARNING: This episode contains references to, and discussion of, death by suicide]. In this episode, Dan begins exploring what Josh Hawley calls “a man’s battle.” Hawley argues that what defines men, what gives them purpose, is fighting and confronting evil, and maintaining order in the face of chaos. But what exactly does this mean? And how does it make “evil” necessary? Why is this a tragic and dangerous view of the world? And what is the alternative? How can we understand “order” and “chaos” without falling into the trap of Hawley’s worldview? Check out the episode to hear Dan’s answers to these questions.

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