Episodes

Jan. 18, 2021

Hitler, Trump, and the Danger of Failed Coups

Brad is joined by Dr. Richard Steigmann-Gall, a historian and expert in Nazi Germany. They compare Hitler's failed coup of 1923 and the Jan. 6 Insurrection at the US Capitol. The discussion focuses on several themes present i...
Jan. 15, 2021

Weekly Roundup: They Told Us Civil War Was Coming

Brad and Dan begin by recalling their episode from the eve of Trump's first impeachment, when the quoted a number of Evangelical leaders threatening/predicting civil war if Trump was impeached. Then, it seemed hyperbolic. Now...
Jan. 12, 2021

S1.Ep.4 White Jesus (Re-release)

In an interview from 2018, Brad and Dan talk to Dr. Glenn Bracey of Villanova University about his experiences in White churches as a Black man. Dr. Bracey unpacks racialized dimensions of the Evangelical culture that shed li...
Jan. 11, 2021

A White Christian Nationalist Coup Long in the Making - with Dr. Kelly J. Baker

Dr. Kelly J. Baker, author of Gospel According to the Klan: The KKK’s Appeal to Protestant America, 1915-1930, stops by to discuss how the January 6 insurrection was long in the making. Using the 1920s Klan as a historical pr...
Jan. 8, 2021

Weekly Roundup: Trump's Insurrection

Brad and Dan analyze the January 6 Insurrection at the United States Capitol. They begin by discussing the unprecedented aspects of the events. Then, a discussion of Christian nationalism and its manifestation through insurre...
Jan. 5, 2021

S1.Ep3 (Re-Release): The History of the Religious Right

What if I told you the Religious Right formed on the basis of racism and not abortion? What if segregation was the real issue and the unborn were used later to justify it? That's what we discover on this episode. Brad and Dan...
Dec. 29, 2020

S1.Ep.2 (Re-release): 81% WTF

Think of this as a SWAJ primer. We cover many of the major themes of the show in a relatively brief conversation. On our second ever episode, we put the White Evangelical support for Trump in historical perspective. Brad lays...
Dec. 22, 2020

S1.Ep.1 (Re-Release): Why Straight White American Jesus?

After many requests, we begin the re-release of Season 1! On this first episode Brad and Dan introduce themselves and tell their stories of being evangelical youth group kids, ministers, and seminarians, and then leaving the ...
Dec. 18, 2020

Weekly Roundup: American Insurrection and Beth Moore's Anti-Christian Nationalism

On the last Weekly Roundup of the year, Brad and Dan discuss: 1) the myth of the stolen election and how it has gained legitimacy through support from GOP leaders 2) comparing it to the lasting nature of the Birther controver...
Dec. 15, 2020

Ken Kemp on White People Doing the Work

Ken Kemp is not the person you'd expect to be leading small groups and table talks helping White folks understand the histories of racism and strategies to combat it. He's a White male Boomer. Someone born into evangelical cu...
Dec. 4, 2020

Weekly Roundup: Christian Privilege and Raced Religion

Brad and Dan briefly touch on three stories: MAGA rebellion in Georgia, Obama on "Defund the Police," and the federal government's abandonment of the American people in the face of COVID. We then dig deeper into two stories a...
Dec. 1, 2020

Sophie Bjork-James on the Similarities Between White Nationalists and Christian Nationalists

Dr. Sophie Bjork-James is an anthropologist at Vanderbilt University. She is a specialist in race, gender, and religion with a focus on White nationalism and White evangelicalism. One of her recent projects is a close reading...
Nov. 24, 2020

Anne Nelson on the Shadow Network Behind Trump's Coup, ACB's nomination, and the Coming Cold Civil War

Brad speaks with journalist Anne Nelson whose book Shadow Network: Media, Money, and the Secret Hub of the Radical Right outlines in vivid detail the network of organizations, media empires, and churches that sync the Radical...
Nov. 20, 2020

Weekly Roundup: Frederick Douglass on a Divided Nation, Whose Faith Counts as Really American?, and American Exceptionalism in Religious Terms

Brad and Dan begin by drawing on a famous speech by Frederick Douglass in order to put the nail in the coffin on the idea that it is the Democrats' job to reach across the aisle. They then explain why Republicans think it is ...
Nov. 17, 2020

Sarah Posner on the Secession of MAGA Nation

Brad speaks with Sarah Posner, author of Unholy: Why White Evangelicals Worship at the Altar of Donald Trump. They discuss how Trump is the result of strategies used by GOP operatives in other countries. The approach is simpl...
Nov. 13, 2020

Weekly Roundup: Reviving the Lost Cause - the Real Meaning of Trump's Refusal to Concede + Biden's Religious Voters + SCOTUS and Obama Care

Dan begins by explaining why Biden didn't underperform and why emotionally this should feel like a big win He and Brad also discuss the White religious voters who fled Trump for Biden and why it is/and is not a big deal They ...
Nov. 10, 2020

The Brown Church: 500 Years of Resistance and Organizing - with Robert Chao Romero, PhD, JD

In his new book, The Brown Church, Robert Chao Romero speaks from spiritual borderlands. As a Latino pastor and scholar trained in critical race theory, he speaks to those managing what many times feel like mutually exclusive identities. In the process his book has something essential to teach all …
Nov. 6, 2020

Weekly Roundup: A Historic Election, the Religious Left's Huge Impact, and the Religious Right Remains the Religious White

As we process the unfolding events related to the election, Brad and Dan discuss: why Tuesday night felt so dismaying, despite knowing it would be a long road the disappointing turnout for Trumpism and the need to reckon with...
Nov. 2, 2020

Religion, Roots, and Black National Identity with Richard Newton

In an episode recorded as part of a public lecture at Skidmore College, Brad speak with Dr. Richard Newton about his new book, Identifying Roots: Alex Haley and the Anthropology of Scriptures. They discuss how Haley's book Roots and the ensuing TV mini-series marked a new chapter in telling the sto…
Oct. 30, 2020

Weekly Roundup: America's Tense Moment

In the week before the election, Brad and Dan begin with another chapter of Falwell's Follies. Dan then explains why the polls are similar, but different from 2016 and how Trump's surrender to COVID has hurt his reelection ch...
Oct. 27, 2020

After Evangelcalism with David Gushee

Dan speaks with Dr. David Gushee, Professor of Ethics and Director of the Center for Theology and Public Life at Mercer University. The former president of the American Academy of Religion, he is a prolific author who writes ...
Oct. 23, 2020

Weekly Roundup: Hunter Biden Explained, Pope and Civil Unions, and the American Values Survey

Opener : Brad and Dan each get 2 minutes uninterrupted on the last debate Explainer: Hunter Biden non-scandal mularkey Explainer : Pope announces he is in favor of same-sex couples having civil unions (but not marriages?) Dee...
Oct. 21, 2020

81% WTF (Re-release): The Historical Receipts on Evangelical Leaders Hypocritical Support for Trump

The episode that started it all! On one of our very first shows, we went to the historical record to quote all the evangelical leaders who did everything possible to decry Bill Clinton after his sex scandal/impeachment. They ...
Oct. 16, 2020

Weekly Roundup: Constitutional Originalism and Biblical Literalism

Dan briefs us on the dueling presidential town halls before he and Brad explain the tenets of Constitutional Originalism, a legal philosophy Amy Coney Barrett claims to hold. They compare it to a separate, but related issue--...