The Sunday Interview: He Saw Palantir’s AI Pick Targets in Gaza. Now It’s Coming to the US.
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RSS Feed Palantir’s AI is helping decide who gets targeted in Gaza, and the same technology is already in use by US police and ICE. This week, Brad Onishi talks with Jacob Sprang, a humanitarian worker who spent about 18 months in Gaza and the occupied West Bank. He also worked in Sudan and Ukraine, and he sat on the executive committee of the INGO Forum and the Humanitarian Country Team.
Chapters (approximate)
- 00:00 Intro: Palantir, Lavender, and the Israeli military
- 04:00 Spring’s background in humanitarian work
- 06:00 What AI targeting looks like on the ground
- 08:50 How a point-based system flags people
- 12:40 COGAT’s three categories of “Hamas”
- 15:20 Taking the human out of the decision
- 17:50 “AI slop” as human slop
- 19:50 Geo-fenced SMS warnings and Maven
- 24:40 Data as the price of aid
- 29:10 The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation
- 38:40 Planned communities and manufactured scarcity
- 43:20 Why Spring came home
- 50:00 Palantir, ICE, and surveillance in the US
- 56:50 NSPM-7, “domestic enemies,” and the shrinking protected class
- 1:00:00 Closing thoughts
Guest
Jacob Sprang is a humanitarian worker. He is writing about his experiences on Substack. https://substack.com/@jakesprang
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