Episodes

We have a great episode for you this week with Dr. Harold Dorrell Briscoe! Our guest is a renaissance man in many ways and uses all of his varied passions and interests to create community and connection wherever he goes. Dorrell is one of our few guests that has both deconstructed their faith and continues to serve in a local church and his story is one you will want to pay attention to. Welcome to the REVcovery Room! You can check out Dr. Dorrell's book here: https://amzn.to/3IVtZ7P We now hav...

Folks we made it! Episode 40 and the end of our first year of REVcovery. Sarah and Justin are so grateful for the many delightful twists and turns this first year has had and can't wait to see what happens in 2023. In this episode we reflect on the last year and also talk about how our relationship to the mega holiday that is Christmas and New Years has changed since we have left ministry. We absolutely love sharing all this with you and hope you have a meaningful holiday season however that unf...

We are happy this week to welcome Dr Jennifer Bashaw to the REVcovery Room! Sarah and Justin had an opportunity to sit down with Dr Bashaw at Theology Beer Camp to discuss her time in ministry, journey into academia, and how being in a female body impacted that journey. It is a fantastic conversation that we are so delighted to share with you and hope it gives some perspective on how theology shapes how we view God, our bodies, and what spaces we are allowed to be in. Enjoy! This talk was a part...

This week we welcome our good friend Heather Sanford to the REVcovery Room! In addition to being a delightful individual Heather served for many years in youth ministry and then on an executive leadership team and she has more than a few words to say about it. Her story pulls on themes of honesty, vulnerability and how those things are not always welcome in the church. It's a real treat to talk to her and we are glad to be able to share this conversation with you. Welcome to the REVcovery Room! ...

This week we welcome Matt Kendziera to the REVcovery Room! In addition to being a former pastor Matt is also an author, musician, speaker and all around renaissance man whose book "Bring it Home: The Adventure of Finding Yourself after Being Lost in Religion" highlights the journey many of us in revcovery are on. It's a great conversation that really hits on what it means to not just survive leaving ministry but to build a life you look forward to living. If you would like to learn more about Ma...

Hey friends this week is a simple episode where Justin and Sarah share a bit about what life is like after you have fully made the transition out of ministry (or whatever you did). How do you set expectations, manage boundaries, and simply live life after a calling? We don't know the answer for everyone but we are happy to share what is working for us and hope you find some good in it. Welcome to the REVcovery Room! If you would like to join a community of like minded people check out our Patreo...

This week we welcome Josh Patterson, former pastor and now brewer at Full Tilt Brewery, to the show! Josh has an amazing story of coming to terms with the information his body was telling to him about his time in ministry and bravely allowing himself to trust that he knew the right moves to make. He is a real delight both in person and in recording and we are excited to share this conversation with you. Grab your favorite beverage and welcome to the REVcovery Room! If you would like to join a co...

This week we sit down with Cameron Bishop, Executive Director of Impact Lives, an organization that uses cognitive science to change the lives of clients ranging from school kids to professional athletes. Cameron is a former minister whose incredible story touches on the feelings of growing up out of place and what we do as ministers to our internal voice in order to "serve" the church. We hope that this conversation gives you hope that there is a good life beyond the stained glass windows and t...

This week we interview Derek Myers, better known on the internet as "Derek the Heretic." Derek is also one half of "Your Favorite Heretics" so combined with Justin and Sarah you need to brace yourselves for a whole lot of heresy. But seriously, Derek is one of the most kind people we have had on the show and their journey of healing is one we are very happy to share with you. Welcome to the REVcovery Room! If you would like to join a community of like minded people check out our Patreon: patreon...

This week we are delighted to introduce you to our new friend, former minister, and current member of the REVcovery Community, Jeff Elkins! This episode really is a full circle moment for us because neither Justin or Sarah knew Jeff before this podcast got started. Jeff is an active member of our REVcovery Discord Community and after learning more about his story and seeing how much of the work he has already done we know we had to have him on the show. This episode is a special one folks so sit...

Hey friends we are back with a Justin and Sarah episode wherein we discuss the ups and downs of living with religious and societal expectations that simply aren't good for humans. We also talk about things that help us, how to balance hope and skepticism, and how that anxiety you are feeling is probably normal. Welcome to the REVcovery Room! If you would like to join a community of like minded people check out our Patreon: patreon.com/revcovery If you would like to see us live we will be at Theo...

Hey friends we have a bit of a different episode today; we are doing a crossover podcast with Blake Chastain of Exvangelical! In this episode we talk a bit about burnout in the ministry and in influencer culture as well as some ways we can deal with being chronically online. We hope you enjoy it and find it helpful in your REVcovery. Welcome once again to the REVcovery Room! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Friends we are so very excited to welcome Bradely Onishi to the REVcovery Room! Bradley is a former pastor, the co-host of the "Straight White American Jesus" podcast and author of the upcoming book "Preparing for War: The Extremist History of White Christian Nationalism--and What Comes Next." What we enjoyed so much about this conversation is Bradley's strength of character and vulnerability in articulating his journey both into and out of ministry. When we reach a turning point in our lives it...

This week we interview Josiah Mahon host of the "Slow Train to Heck" podcast! Josiah faced a choice that many of us in REVcovery have had to face; do I tell the truth or do I stay silent? He chose the former and as many of us know the consequences were wide-ranging and unpredictable. Fortunately Josiah was able to find a path forward and for that we are very grateful because he is a truly delightful human being and his story is one that we are very exited to share. Welcome to the REVcovery Room!...

This week we are very excited to welcome Kevin Wright to the REVcovery Room. Like most of our guests Kevin is a former minister but in many ways he represents one of the best outcomes of the REVcovery journey. Leaving your "calling" isn't the last thing that will be said about you and Kevin helps us to see that a ministry career isn't a liability and can set you up to do the next thing in surprising ways. We are so glad we get to share his story with you today in the REVcovery Room! If you would...

This week we welcome to the REVcovery Room the Naked Pastor himself, David Hayward. If you have ever asked questions about your faith and been on the internet you have probably run into one of David's cartoons. They speak so well to the experience many of us find ourselves in. David was a pastor for a number of years and ultimately made the choice to lean into his questions and the creative pursuits that came out of them. We are so grateful that he did and The Naked Pastor is a wonderful testame...

We had the privilege of interviewing one of our favorite people, Anna Galloday, at Wild Goose and we can't wait to share her story with you. Anna was faced with some very difficult decisions and while they ultimately resulted in her leaving the ministry she as able to leave knowing she had fulfilled her roll as pastor to her people. If you have ever been stuck between what is the right thing to do and what is the expected thing to do this is an episode you don't want to miss. Welcome to the REVc...

Friends we are so delighted to introduce you to our friend Janice Lagata! Her career has included many things from managing the stage for Hillsong New York to writing uncredited jokes for her senior pastor's sermons. It was alot of work and none of it paid because...reasons. Janice speaks powerfully to the lure of charismatic leaders and movements, how people of color are often treated in these spaces, and what the process of waking up to yourself and getting out is like. Her story is a gift and...

Hey everybody we are back with some thoughts about our time at Wild Goose, how we are choosing our faith rather than having it handed to us, and the surprising ways we are finding that ministry (whatever that is) still matters to us. Justin and Sarah discuss this week the odd twists and turns their revcovery is taking them and how it is ok to still not know exactly where you are landing. Leaving ministry and coming to terms with who you are now is a process that requires a great deal of inner ev...

Friends we are back with Season 2 of the REVcovery Podcast! We are so excited for what the next season holds and this episode is the perfect kickoff. Our guest today is Brian Mclaren. In addition to being a former pastor Brian is the author of several books about new ways of practicing faith and his latest book "Do I Stay Christian?: A Guide for the Doubters, the Disappointed, and the Disillusioned" is out now. Sarah and Justin interview him on what is it like to hold faith in our current contex...